tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post7237719244462459185..comments2024-03-18T10:29:20.125-08:00Comments on TriloBoat Talk: Foraging Ahead: Independence Along the WayDave Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-76596397899111992302023-07-18T10:53:34.258-08:002023-07-18T10:53:34.258-08:00I mentioned offshore desalinators for foraging wat...I mentioned offshore desalinators for foraging water... there have been some recent developments.<br /><br />QUENCHSEA has developed a low cost manual pump ($130).<br /><br />Even more exciting, they have an innovative system that reels a container down 300m - 500m... pressure at depth drives salt water across an osmotic filter, leaving fresh water. They claim it's a 5min process. COOL!<br /><br />https://www.quenchsea.world/pages/reel<br /><br />In other news, MIT researchers have made high yield atmospheric collectors from inexpensive materials (gel)... this tech should be coming available soon for DIY.<br /><br />So exciting times for foraged water at sea!<br /><br />Dave ZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-84995117862880371632023-07-18T10:41:21.259-08:002023-07-18T10:41:21.259-08:00Yes to winter storage... we collect twice as many ...Yes to winter storage... we collect twice as many plants as we eat in spring/summer/autumn and dry ahead for winter. It pretty much all fits in a 4g square bucket. Seaweeds are good all year round, though not as prime in winter.<br /><br />We're hoping to start canning once we get some set-up time, and will start fishing for bigger salmon and halibut, and (maybe) start hunting deer as well. For now it's small cod, rice/lentil, cheese and peanut butter for winter proteins. Work in progress. 8)<br /><br />RE the Rocket Stove and Hood... I'll try to get a post out on that. Meanwhile, Episodes 4 and 6 of the MUSTELID series (releasing one a week at the link below) will show the installation in more detail.<br /><br />Basically, it's a flattish box with a cutout that fits over the stovetop. A stack from it's after end leads up, through a deck flange and out a smokehead in the normal manner. Only special thing is the stack can be very short as Rocket Stoves push fumes via thermal expansion (which is why the work at the front end of Rocket Thermal Mass Heaters... about 40ft of push).<br /><br />Dave Z<br /><br /><br />MUSTELID Series:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTjI8v7wcyPx1OskH61D-zW0juzukEMQfDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-18434454909137492912023-07-18T10:26:34.242-08:002023-07-18T10:26:34.242-08:00Agree on all of those... and I'd add David Aur...Agree on all of those... and I'd add David Aurora's All_the_Rain_Promises_and_More for mushrooms. His Mushrooms_Demystified if you're delving deeper.<br /><br />Dave ZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-41447614105862313302023-07-16T10:13:35.903-08:002023-07-16T10:13:35.903-08:00A brief comment and a request:
Winter (and winter...A brief comment and a request:<br /><br />Winter (and winter storage) is the key season to consider when thinking about a forage/subsistence lifestyle.<br /><br />It would be nice to be able to see some detailed plans and/or explanation of your rocket stove adaptation for indoor use.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-351858321306376872023-07-16T09:58:34.717-08:002023-07-16T09:58:34.717-08:00Schofield is a good guide. We’ve been using it for...Schofield is a good guide. We’ve been using it for years.<br /><br />Also useful is Beverly Gray’s _The Boreal Herbal_ and _Plants of the Pacific Northwest Coast_ by McKinnon, et al.<br /><br />Also, for medicinals, there’s _Medicinal Plants of the Pacific West_ by Michael Moore.<br /><br />We consider all if these essential.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-7971681620420935192022-12-11T09:42:49.887-09:002022-12-11T09:42:49.887-09:00Hi David,
I'd say the major share of our calo...Hi David,<br /><br />I'd say the major share of our calories (over the two months before the experiment diluted) was from fish. <br /><br />While we brought olive oil with us and used it sparingly for starting to fry (though we often poach without added oil), we scaled fish (mostly cod and pink salmon) and ate the skin (rich in oils and other good stuff. I noticed that I, especially, went after every last bit of oil available! We also ate their livers, eggs and roe (all rich in oils) as well as hearts.<br /><br />We ate a LOT of (mostly red huckle) berries, but they are more tart than sweet. Hard to guesstimate thier caloric contribution.<br /><br />The rest was wild greens and sea'weeds'. As much as we wanted.<br /><br />From our additives, some mayo (for sauces), rice/lentils (1 dry cup every third day or so). We'd use that to make a 'snackable' salad for long rowing days, and take a bite or two when hunger hit.<br /><br />So it wasn't pure subsistence, but close enough that we felt confident we could reach it.<br /><br />One calorie source we want to try is tapping alder and cooking down to concentrate sugars (for wine making, especially, but we'll see). Fuel is pretty much for free. <br /><br />We pretty much foraged as we went, and only lingered especially for some really great berry patches. Fishing could be done from the boat (anchored or under way), most places, or we'd row out to the nearest fishy looking patch of kelp. <br /><br />That being said, we'd anchor anywhere from a few hours to a week, depending on what we wanted to explore and conditions. <br /><br />The longer we stayed, the more efficiently we could gather and fish. But the difference isn't too large. We find that a glance from a distance pretty well distinguishes a rich patch from a sparse one. So we don't lose too much to prospecting around.<br /><br />Dave Z<br />Dave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-19113716167022477052022-12-11T09:21:01.920-09:002022-12-11T09:21:01.920-09:00Posted on behalf of David Omick:
--Maintaining ca...Posted on behalf of David Omick:<br /><br />--Maintaining caloric intake is usually where foraging succeeds or fails. Roughly what percentage of your calories came from seafood?<br />I'm guessing it was quite high and in terms of foraging, this is especially interesting as seafood could be depended on during winter months.<br /><br />--Did you tend to forage for a time in one location before traveling to another place? If so, how long before moving on?Dave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-6929909840962209722022-12-09T15:01:15.529-09:002022-12-09T15:01:15.529-09:00I'll reply in brief (more depth in future post...I'll reply in brief (more depth in future posts):<br /><br />Rowing/sailing worked out well. Unexpectedly able to windward... enough to make us consider more effort in pursuing it.<br /><br />Most nights at anchor, but with maybe a couple of weeks beached, total out of 4mos.<br /><br />Much easier than WW in all respects. Accommodations were very comfortable, though luxuries were minimal.<br /><br />Outer coast is in some ways easier for forage, we thought. Mostly due to high variation of niches set very close together. We had access to all inside waters niches cheek on jowl with open gulf niches.<br /><br />More to come!<br /><br />Dave ZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-60417746831389875822022-12-08T17:42:57.585-09:002022-12-08T17:42:57.585-09:00Hi Len,
It's an experience we find fulfilling...Hi Len,<br /><br />It's an experience we find fulfilling on any number of levels... gastronomically, economically, historically, environmentally... the 'allys' go on and on! 8)<br /><br />Dave ZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-6686492323393004452022-12-08T17:40:59.522-09:002022-12-08T17:40:59.522-09:00Hi Roberto,
That hood over the rocket stove hinge...Hi Roberto,<br /><br />That hood over the rocket stove hinges up, so we can remove it for cleaning and outdoor use. All materials foraged!<br /><br />More about the trip coming soon!<br /><br />Dave ZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-88301044390900407472022-12-08T17:37:04.884-09:002022-12-08T17:37:04.884-09:00May be a while afore I get there, but I'm a...May be a while afore I get there, but I'm a'comin'! DZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-56823694260159979052022-12-07T10:46:59.813-09:002022-12-07T10:46:59.813-09:00Some of the most memorable times have been cooking...Some of the most memorable times have been cooking and eating foraged food. And... facing the probability of being far from politically correct in the future, a good skill to cultivate.Lenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08196148948735265965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-49113909526861859842022-12-07T09:26:57.234-09:002022-12-07T09:26:57.234-09:00Way cool rocket stove adaptation to a small microc...Way cool rocket stove adaptation to a small microcruiser. Already had my portable rocket stove but ordered my own set of loppers today. Thanks! <br /><br />Amen to looking forward to a microcruiser performance review with (sorry, creaking joints distracted me a bit) the elder sailor slant. Especially how you two strategized and handled the west side of Chichagof. Pretty amazing. Good to see you both appear healthy and happy too. <br /><br />BTWay: planning on self sufficient months in a low pop density- resource rich cruising ground may just pay off in spades the way the global stage is developing. Peace be wid yas.Robertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18320063715736110902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-80167899034193193402022-12-06T11:48:16.656-09:002022-12-06T11:48:16.656-09:00Iforgeiron.comIforgeiron.comCharles Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-87279938536034088062022-12-05T19:11:59.727-09:002022-12-05T19:11:59.727-09:00Okay... what's IFI stand for? DZOkay... what's IFI stand for? DZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-73991961490306504092022-12-05T19:10:25.090-09:002022-12-05T19:10:25.090-09:00Couldn't agree more!
Here's one of my man...Couldn't agree more!<br /><br />Here's one of my many, more-or-less languishing projects that might interest you:<br /><br />http://the-knowledge.org/en-gb/knowledge-quick-reference/<br /><br />Pretty much your binder approach, but with (hopefully) crowd-sourced content sheets. A lot of the work has been done by someone, but much remains, and a clearing-house site would be a real bonus.<br /><br />Maybe you're interested?<br /><br />Dave ZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-8247675244699713882022-12-05T15:08:49.507-09:002022-12-05T15:08:49.507-09:00Look me up on IFI and I will try to introduce you ...Look me up on IFI and I will try to introduce you to the black arts ;-) Charles Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-66535172816087122472022-12-04T08:51:41.002-09:002022-12-04T08:51:41.002-09:00Yes, it would be great to hear more about your tho...Yes, it would be great to hear more about your thoughts on rowing/sailing Mustelid. Were most nights spent at anchor or beached? How does she compare with Wayward as an oldster's craft? How did foraging on the outer coast compare with inside waters? <br /><br />And about a hundred other questions, but that's a start:) <br /><br />Looking forward to future posts. David Omicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-82326723643669225242022-12-01T04:18:02.355-09:002022-12-01T04:18:02.355-09:00Hello Dave! Will try out your print options this a...Hello Dave! Will try out your print options this afternoon after I score more printer ink. So far, I cannot forage or scavenge that LOL.<br /><br />Binder started a few years ago when I noticed I had hundreds of links of useful stuff and upon checking found MANY of those links were Gone.<br /><br />That and I found a nor'easter a few years back when I was sick that my beloved had issues with the generator-power up the house. She didn't know the steps as well as I thought. Not her fault, mine for lack of refresher training or a Printout of How Too.<br /><br />Skills need refreshing and if it's Important get a Hard Copy.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05329176313885665469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-68031296580680914962022-12-01T01:24:07.889-09:002022-12-01T01:24:07.889-09:00Hi Charles,
Thanks for those links... I'll ch...Hi Charles,<br /><br />Thanks for those links... I'll check them out!<br /><br />We used foraged copper grounding wire to rivet planking on our first boat (lapstrake). Made the washers from copper pennies, which were a lot easier to come by back then. <br /><br />So yes, you have our number to several places! 8)<br /><br />Dave ZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-53778789924103298642022-12-01T01:18:31.444-09:002022-12-01T01:18:31.444-09:00Hi Michael,
Your browser should have a PRINT and ...Hi Michael,<br /><br />Your browser should have a PRINT and SAVE PAGE option... depending on how they handle it, one or both should give you a workable option.<br /><br />Would love to hear more about your binder!<br /><br />Dave ZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-3087713171751807332022-12-01T01:09:47.025-09:002022-12-01T01:09:47.025-09:00Hi David,
In our new (forager/oldster) boat, we r...Hi David,<br /><br />In our new (forager/oldster) boat, we rowed and sailed around Chichagof Island plus a trip up Lynn Canal and back. About 450nm. More on that in posts to come.<br /><br />We're pretty confident that winter foraging, plus what we've put up from summer, will keep us well fed push-come-to-shove. But haven't tried out the winter end of it, yet... will come down to preserving the proteins for winter consumption, doing more winter hunting/fishing or a combination. Drying greens ahead has worked just fine.<br /><br />Hoping to try out the end-of-summer fish/hunt camp where we put up a winter's worth of food while the getting is easy. We're basically 6 months of full forage, 6 months of winter.<br /><br />Dave Z<br />Dave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-59045696299076127482022-11-30T15:21:40.810-09:002022-11-30T15:21:40.810-09:00I am glad to see you two have returned to the worl...I am glad to see you two have returned to the world of internet communication. <br />On the theme of skills and scrap metal might I refer your more connected readers to Iforgeiron.com and to you I recommend Jerry Frost and the Alaskan blacksmith association. Good people all.<br />Hand forged copper nails from salvaged copper grounding wire sounds like something right up your alley. <br /><br />Charles Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-4116244485416308382022-11-30T10:04:48.439-09:002022-11-30T10:04:48.439-09:00Awesome article, I've just returned from sever...Awesome article, I've just returned from several rabbit holes from your links. Guerrilla Gardening is a gem in itself.<br /><br />Is there any way to print out your articles for my survival-adventure binder?<br /><br />Again, was great to see a new article.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05329176313885665469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3580987459140037495.post-86467495966348693672022-11-27T08:55:29.024-09:002022-11-27T08:55:29.024-09:00Kudos on your foraging exploration! Developing tha...Kudos on your foraging exploration! Developing that sort of resilience brings a sense of well being almost unknown in the modern world. <br /><br />Just curious where you went and what your thoughts are on the viability of foraging through the winter months?David Omicknoreply@blogger.com